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Ian Perry
May 28, 2017, 3:06pm Report to Moderator
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MOY's speedo has stopped speedo-ing. The odometer is working fine, so it's obviously NOT the cable or the spur gear in the gearbox.

Never having taken one apart I'm slightly loath to try without having either a replacement or a grown-up on hand...

So does anyone please

(a.) have a 0-100mph speedo - Toledo (preferred) or Dolomite 1300 for sale

or

(b.) know of someone who can dismantle and hopefully mend this one!

Many thanks - Pse PM me or try 07732 978484 - very many thanks in anticipation
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Mark Hammond
May 28, 2017, 5:07pm Report to Moderator

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eBay?  What year the Toledo?  They changed around late 1975 to the Dolomite/Spitfire thicker needle style.....

Mark


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Ian Perry
May 28, 2017, 9:29pm Report to Moderator
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Hello Mark,

I'm looking around but so far nothing that really matches. I' e seen a couple of possible options but nothing close enough.

The Toledo is a late 1972 car, so the dial is the Smiths one with the funky lettering. It has MB, Oil and Ign warning lights in the bottom arc and covers 0-100mph (4.11 diff)

Obviously if it's not possible to repair this one I'd prefer to stay with the original style but I'm very willing to take a working later model that'll at least give me some idea what speed I'm doing. It's a fine balance between 'working' and 'original' but I'd rather have the car working and legal (enough)!

Cheers
I.
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thescrapman
May 29, 2017, 8:13am Report to Moderator

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Ian

There will be a number at the bottom, 1000 or 1215, something like that. Turns per mile.

Also is it screw fix or push fit for the speedo cable?


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Ian Perry
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Quoted from thescrapman
Ian

There will be a number at the bottom, 1000 or 1215, something like that. Turns per mile.

Also is it screw fix or push fit for the speedo cable?




Hi,

OK, now I'm confused. Having removed the speedo, and stuck a small screwdriver up its jacksie, the needle moves when you spin the screwdriver. What the...?

It's a push fit for the cable drive and the small print on the front says "MADE IN UK  SNT-6156/OOA 1248"

Using the 155/80x13 tyres on the car, I calculate rolling diameter 0.578m which gives a circumference of 1.816m. That equates to 886 wheel revolutions per mile. The diff should be a 4.11 ratio which gives 3640 propshaft revolutions per mile. Is the speedo drive about 3:1 reduction? (as an aside that gives 16.5mph/1000rpm which feels about right from memory of the old Toledo)

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Ian Perry
May 29, 2017, 11:15am Report to Moderator
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And now having just taken it out, goosed it with the aforementioned screwdriver and refitted it, it works again!

Inside the speedo, is the drive to the odometer a separate collar from the one for the speedo itself? If so, I guess if the push-fit was just hanging off, it could still be driving the odometer but not the speedo??

Blimmin thing...

Oon the other hand it has prompted me to remove the dead stereo which was located awkwardly in the space to the right of the steering column right where your hand goes to fiddle with the back of the speedo...
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RobPearce
May 30, 2017, 7:18am Report to Moderator

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More likely the speedo needle had got sticky and the removal process shook it free. The magnetic drive that converts rotational speed to force is extremely weak. I occasionally had to give my Toledo's speedo a good sharp tap to make it work on the first trip of the day.


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Ian Perry
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Update - the original speedo died again a couple of weeks after the previous post and hasn't worked since.

But I've just been pinged by someone (not a CT member) who apparently saw this thread when searching for info on a NOS Toledo speedo, so I'm buying it. I know the "payment protection" in Paypal isn't up to much, but I'm prepared to take a bit of a chance.

More to come in hopefully about a week's time. It'll look funny with a speedo saying 000001 miles
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thescrapman
November 11, 2017, 5:48pm Report to Moderator

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Ian

Make sure you strip and lubricate the NOS speedo before use, the grease will be 40 years old and probably rock hard

Cheers


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2010, 2011, 2013, 2015 and 2016 CT Navigators Championship winner.

10CR 2005, 2007, 2009, 2011 2013 - RBRR 1990, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2012, 2014, 2016 - Nachtrit 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2012 - Chinese rally 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 - HCR 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013 (3rd place), 2014. 2015, 2017

On the road.
1968 Spitfire Mk3 : 1973 TR6 : 1967 Herald 1200 Estate 1970 : 1968 Mk1 2.5PI 1968
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1967 Moss Monaco (Mk1 GT6 based) : 1970 Spitfire Mk4 : 1970 Mk2 2000 auto  : 1964 Mk1 2000  : Mk2 2.5PI
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Ian Perry
November 16, 2017, 10:01am Report to Moderator
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Thanks for the tip, Scrapman...

Well, annoyingly, when I took the original speedo off, gave it a quick poke with a screwdriver up its jacksie again, and it worked fine. So back on its gone, and working fine again. How long is anyone's guess.

Meanwhile I now have a potentially redundant NOS Toledo speedo, it actually shows 4 miles now due to having gone on and off the car (went out of the workshop, down the lane and back, is all).

Another £45 that I didn't really want to spend, and needn't have spent after all (sigh).
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