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Mick Thornton
July 2, 2017, 11:47am Report to Moderator
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Dear all.
I bought an an early PI back in December and would be interested to have member's thoughts on changing from mechanical fuel injection to electronic fuel injection.  The pro's and con's invloved and the best person to speak to regarding this.

Cheers
Mick
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esxefi
July 2, 2017, 8:45pm Report to Moderator

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have a mosey over to,......

http://sideways-technologies.co.uk/forums/index.php/forum/6-ignition-ecu-and-fuel-injection/

lots of info there,...as well as here of course
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Nick Jones
July 4, 2017, 7:16pm Report to Moderator

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Hi Mick,

Depends what you are looking to achieve.  Perfectly possible to get decent results from PI but programmable FI systems usually include ignition management and barometric correction so you should be able to squeeze very decent mpg out of it and have it behave in the high Alps.  Also, if running a non-standard engine it'll be far easier to tune to match.

http://www.club.triumph.org.uk/cgi-bin/forum10/Blah.pl?m-1286652768/s-165/  froms Posts 176 - 210 contain most of the FI stuff.  There's a similar thread on Sideways Tech too.

Here's a TR6 (repatriated from the USA) that I helped a mate with a few years back

Goes well.....

Nick



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kelvin45
July 5, 2017, 9:27am Report to Moderator

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Nick that is a sweet set up! Good to hear it goes well as well.
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Spitfire6
July 9, 2017, 8:24pm Report to Moderator

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Hi,
I had PI on my Spit/Gt6 2.5.
137MPH on Autobahn.
30's MPG normal driving.
Lucas (Prince of darkness), killed my engine.

Now I have EFI (Alpha N) and 20's MPG.

If your PI is running sweet; keep it.

I would not go back to PI as EFI should be better....For me it was not.

Cheers,
Iain.





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TRTOM2498
July 11, 2017, 4:14pm Report to Moderator
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Hi Mick,

I have just gone from a Lucas PI (with Bosch fuel pump), on a tuned TR6, to Emerald EFI system, with Jenvey throttle bodies, adjustable (in length) trumpets, wide band Lambda probe, 3 way map switch and AFR gauge.  

Pros:-

1. Overall better starting - hot and cold.
2. More torque.
3. Better throttle response.
4. Improved MPG.
5. Engine flexibility.


Cons:
1. Cost.
2. Slight loss of character.
3. Slightly less 'meaty' exhaust note (more refined).



In terms of outright power, there is probably little difference in it, but improvement from idle to 6500RPM is noticeable, and engine will feel more energetic. The Lucas system is actually very good AND reliable. I have ran the original, bur rebuilt system for many years on both standard and tuned TR6s.

There are quite a lot of features and adjustments with the Emerald K6 ECU, perhaps like others on the market (like having the ability to have one of the map settings, pop, crackle and produce flames on the overrun I have covered 3000 miles so far, without any issues.

If you need to discuss further, or want pictures, please do send me your e-mail address.



Good luck.
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Mick Thornton
July 12, 2017, 7:06am Report to Moderator
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Hello Tom
My email is mick@theploughatleigh.com.
Did you do the work yourself, if not who did it and yes any pics would be great.  I am still thinking about what to do.  
Thanks for your help.

Cheers
Mick
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JohnD
July 12, 2017, 8:28am Report to Moderator


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Mick,
I race my Vitesse on Lucas Pi, and it satisfies me, if not the timekeepers, but that's me, not the car.
Pi is notoriously rich at anything other than full throttle because it goes a bit lean then otherwise, so maybe EFI better economy
Tom's better throttle response and flexibility are so subjective - Tom, can you substantiate 'more torque'?  Rolling roaded?

And you had better be sitting down when you learn the cost of Jenveys and all the rest of the kit!
Bests
JOhn


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Old Blue.  1995-2001
Silverback. 2001-2007
SofS. 2007 - to date.

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TRTOM2498
July 12, 2017, 10:34am Report to Moderator
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Hi Mick,

Will send something over shortly.

Hi John D,

Car is yet to be test on the same RR, for true back to back testing.  Will keep you fully appraised.


Cheers.
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TRTOM2498
July 12, 2017, 10:38am Report to Moderator
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Hi Mick,

I am advised this is not a valid e-mail address ?


Have another ?



Cheers.
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JohnD
July 12, 2017, 12:57pm Report to Moderator


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Had to rebuild engiene after Silverstone.  Planning to go to MegaJolt, for mapping when that on song, but sio far v.happy with Pi, so no plans to go EFI at present.
JOhn

PS Tom, you could PM Mick.


Serial Vitesse racer.

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TRTOM2498
July 12, 2017, 4:03pm Report to Moderator
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Hi John,

Have you ever tried a 123 tune dizzy ?


Just sent Mick at PM.


Cheers,
Tom.
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thescrapman
July 12, 2017, 4:34pm Report to Moderator

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There is also a programmable box that some of the TR guys swear by. I will remember the make eventually. Might be a Stealth Black Box.

You just lock the weights in the dizzy and program up the box.

The 123Tune is also very easy to program. Uses standard Bosch cap and rotor arm so easy servicing.

Cheers


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JohnD
July 12, 2017, 5:37pm Report to Moderator


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The 123 offers two - yes, TWO! - dizzie curves!

That's not mapping!  Megajolt offers 10x10 mapping points!   I think it's 10! x10! possible curves, or 1.3 x 10^13.
More than needed, possibly.


The 123 is intended for unusual engines, for which the owner can't find and original dizzie.
What is the box that TR owners swear by?  Not a "MegaJolt" is it?
John


Serial Vitesse racer.

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Silverback. 2001-2007
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esxefi
July 13, 2017, 10:30am Report to Moderator

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Quoted from JohnD
The 123 offers two - yes, TWO! - dizzie curves!

That's not mapping!  Megajolt offers 10x10 mapping points!   I think it's 10! x10! possible curves, or 1.3 x 10^13.
More than needed, possibly.


The 123 is intended for unusual engines, for which the owner can't find and original dizzie.
What is the box that TR owners swear by?  Not a "MegaJolt" is it?
John


yes but he said 123 TUNE,.....

http://www.123ignition.nl/product.phtml?id=195

which says fully programmable.

although doesn't look like it has so many plot points as other systems
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