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Alfie
February 20, 2014, 6:33pm Report to Moderator

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I have been on the gov web site to find out what year a historic vehicle becomes road tax exempt and it states vehicle manufactured before the 1st January 1973. The thing is i have seen a spitfire registered April 1973 and the owner is telling me it will become road tax exempt after April 2014, is this true and if so where on the net can i find the info.
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February 20, 2014, 6:48pm Report to Moderator


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andyfosters
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type 'rolling tax exemption' into Google, loads of info
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lancepar
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I don't make any differnce when it was registered it's the year of manufacture that determines if it is tax exempt or not  

And yes from April 2014 vehicles made in 1973 will become tax exempt.



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Alfie
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Ok thanks for the links etc.

I am going to look at a chassis that has a V5 but no vin plate off the tub, is there any way i can do check of the vehicle to make sure it was not stolen some time ago and then stripped to the chassis.
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lancepar
February 20, 2014, 9:28pm Report to Moderator


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One for the Pub Quiz.

Bit of useless info' that not a lot of peeps know is that some vehicles made in 1973 are already Tax exempt, and takers?



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JohnD
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Triumph never logged the chassis number, which was stamped onto a small steel plate welded to the front left outrigger.
In this position the plate is usually corroded, knocked away or otherwise unreadable.
So a V5 without the plate on the bulkhead with the Comm.No. or VIN is meaningless.

Anyway, you'll need a donor body shell, that may have a Comm.No. plate, and you may be able to get the original registartion number of that car, evne with this chassis by applying to DVLA, with an inspection from a CT official (is CT doing this?  Is it an Approved Club?)  You'll want a V765: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/261157/V765_181113.pdf and any V5 sold with the chassis is just a piece of paper.    Unless you buy and stamp your own blank Comm Plate! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TRIUMPH-HERALD-CHASSIS-COMMISSION-NUMBER-PLATE-BLANK-CRCP318-/181294030282

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thescrapman
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Quoted from lancepar
One for the Pub Quiz.

Bit of useless info' that not a lot of peeps know is that some vehicles made in 1973 are already Tax exempt, and takers?



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Rocky
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Hi All, I am from New zealand, I have a 1964 triumph herald Coupe 1200 which has name plate attached to each doorstep.
On the nameplate it has::  TAYLOR & HALES (WOODGATE) LTD FARNHAM COMMON BUCKINGHAMSHIRE.
                                       TEL. FARNHAM COMMON 1200/4.
Can anybody tell me what this is I will try and post photo.
It appears the car was imported in 1969 already built up. Is this the name of an assembly plant?.
Any information would be much appreciated.
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heraldcoupe
February 21, 2014, 11:15am Report to Moderator

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This is the dealer who supplied the car when new.
Plates like this were quite common at the time, nowadays a sticker in the back screen is what you get,

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lancepar
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Quoted from thescrapman


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Next!


No nor tractors

The answer is,  

Vehicles made in the 1st week of January 1973.






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Blubayou
March 6, 2014, 6:06pm Report to Moderator


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Hi all,

Received my road tax renewal form today inviting me to renew my tax before 31st March for £140. It's a Jan 1973 made car so will be exempt on 1st April I believe.

I presumed it would say pay £0.

What do I do, pay the money & then claim it back?    


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tiggrr1
March 6, 2014, 6:17pm Report to Moderator

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I would go to the post office on April 1st with V5, MOT & Insurance documents and leave the renewal form at home


Should be as you say £0


The renewal will be computer generated and a last chance to scam you into paying for your road tax.


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Sheepy
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Your allowed a grace period of "x" amount of days.

Last year I did not tax my truck for nearly two weeks, (slipped my mind) and it is free tax. They never said anything.
I would wait until the start of April, then go and tax it.


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John Bonnett
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I'm not getting too excited about it yet. I recently spoke to the DVLA and so far they have no instructions about pre-74 vehicles becoming exempt from duty. There will be an announcement in March I understand and until then I'm not holding my breath. It would be just like the government to change their mind and not allow it.


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thinking back to when historic class started, you had to get the taxation class on the logbook changed. I think even today you have to pay tax if you put a vehicle back on the road, then send the forms off and get a refund of duty paid. All a bit hazy....but it will sort itself out.


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Mr Elsie
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Tax renewal for car arrived today (tax exempt). Ref number, cliick, click, click, done.. Something satisfying about not having to pay
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Quoted from cliftyhanger
thinking back to when historic class started, you had to get the taxation class on the logbook changed. I think even today you have to pay tax if you put a vehicle back on the road, then send the forms off and get a refund of duty paid. All a bit hazy....but it will sort itself out.





As far as I understand it from what the DVLA told me, you send your old V5, MOT and completed V10 and in due course they will issue a new V5 with change to Historic and a tax disc. In my case because my car was registered in 1974 I'll have to send the heritage certificate as well.



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When I first put spiddy on the road I had to send off the original log book (1966) and the v5 came back as a payable road tax. I then took it to the local DVLA office (all been closed now) and they changed the tax bracket to historic vehicle and I got the tax disc for free. Job done and the new v5 turned up two weeks later stating historic vehicle. Boy did that feel good. I suppose you will have to fill in a form and send it away now. God knows how long it will take.

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I did the same last year for my 67 spitfire,went to the dvla office in Dundee with mot and log book filled in a form and new log book arrived in the post.seemingly these local offices are now closed so the process could take a while now
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The finance bill got Royal accent last year which makes it law and it WILL happen on April 1st. I phoned DVLA last year, they told me enter "Historic" in the changes to V5 section on the V5. Take it to the post office with your MOT, (you no longer need to show proof of insurance). The PO will give you a free tax disc and will take your V5 and send it to the DVLA who will send an amended V5. I did not completely believe this so double checked with my local PO and yes, it's all true!
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Copied from the TR Register website:

Rolling exemption for TR Road Tax

When the chancellor rolled out the red briefcase on March 19th 2014 to deliver the budget there was some good news for beer drinkers with a small reduction in duty but as he stood proudly outside number 11 there was even better news for owners of post 1974 TR’s with the introduction of a 40 year rolling Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) exemption for classic vehicles.

Previously, owners of TR2 – 5 and some early TR6’s for example were exempt from VED under the previous classification of Historic Vehicles manufactured before 1st January 1973.

The budget in 2013 announced a measure to extend the scope of the Vehicle Excise Duty exemption to historic vehicles by one additional year. This measure comes into force on the 1st April 2014 and allows vehicles manufactured before 1st January 1974 to be added to the exemption category.

The latest Budget announcement however goes one step further to introduce a 40 year rolling exemption to be legislated in the Finance Bill 2014. This will however, not apply until 1st April 2015. Thereafter the cut-off date will be rolled forward by one year on every 1st April in each subsequent Finance Bill. This should mean for instance, that on April 1st 2016 the first of the 4-speed Speke built TR7’s would qualify for Vehicle Exercise Duty exemption as historic vehicles.

The news will be warmly welcomed by TR owners but doesn’t come without its complexities. Commenting on the news FBHVC Legislation Director, Bob Owen said, “While we welcome the fact that our campaign for a rolling exemption has finally borne fruit and that the efforts we have taken in providing research based information to government have been taken into account in the making of this decision, we view the 40 year cut-off as anomalous given that the generally accepted definition of a historic vehicle across Europe is 30 years. We have also noted that the procedure introduced by DVLA to implement the announcement in the 2013 Budget of extension of exemption pre-1974 vehicles on 1st April of this year has the effect that any qualifying vehicle for which VED has already paid in respect of any month or months after 1st April this year, financial benefit from the exemption will be obtainable only from 1st May 2014. FBHVC is questioning this administrative approach, which does not appear to reflect the 2013 Budget announcement, and will be asking if this administrative anomaly is intended by DVLA to be rolled forward along with the rolling exemption. We would suggest that this arrangement in effect provides DVLA with revenue to which it is not entitled and we do not believe this could have been the Chancellor’s intention.”

TR Register members looking to take advantage of the rolling VED will have to do some work in order to qualify, as it is understood that the DVLA will not be automatically issuing “free tax discs”. The paperwork will be up to TR owners.

TR owners will need to change an eligible vehicles taxation class on the V5C and V10 forms, which can be downloaded from the DVLA website or obtained from the Post Office. Section 7 of the V5C contains a box relating to tax class and you will have to enter the word ‘Historic’ and sign the declaration. Additionally, TR owners will need to fill out the V10 Tax Application form once again stating “historic” in the tax class and enclose the vehicles current MoT and certificate of insurance. The DVLA assures the TR Register that in most cases these documents should be returned within one month. If a refund on a tax disc already paid is required then this can also be applied for by using the V14 form.

But what if the registration date is later than the build date? TR owners will need to provide proof of manufacturing date, which could take the form of a Heritage certificate.

To download the DVLA forms visit http://www.gov.uk/dvlaforms

To read the HM Revenue and Customs document: http://www.gov.uk/government/u.....lassic_vehicles_.pdf


Good luck!!


Tim

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Alfie
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I belive its when the car was manufactured not registered and at the moment DVLA use the month January as the datam month so as long as the gov update the tax exempt year and your car was manufactured before the month of January you should be ok.
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Yaay, take it up the Kop Hill Climb! http://www.kophillclimb.org.uk/

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DougBGT6
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Some confusion as to when the new rollover is, other web sites appear to have copied one piece from the Honest John web site were this came from, unknown.  I emailed Greg Knight who is the MP that persuaded the DVLA that cars pre 1960 don't need an MOT. He said this.


Thank you for your Email.

The All party Parliamentary Historic Vehicles Group has been campaigning for the rolling exemption to be returned and I am delighted that Chancellor George Osborne, who is a good friend of the classic car movement, has re-introduced this welcome change.  It is good news indeed to have a Chancellor of the Exchequer for once who is not anti-motor car.  This, coupled with the scrapping and freezing of fuel duty rises is a great help to the historic vehicle movement.
  
The rollover comes into force this year for cars that are 40 years old thus, as you summize, cars built before the 1st January 1974 are tax exempt from this April and thereafter, each year it will move forward one year.  

I would assume that the rollover will move in April, but as you rightly say, we have not yet debated the Finance Act and so these finer details will have to await scrutiny.  However, the House of Commons has already passed the ‘Provisional Collection of Taxes’ resolution which brings into effect all Budget changes which are then ratified when the Finance Act itself becomes law.

Regards

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