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Paula
January 10, 2017, 10:56pm Report to Moderator

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Quoted from Nick Jones




PS, waiting for the title to change to (working again!)!


SOON!


Vitesse 6 Saloon  "Feargal" (Sharkey)
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Richard B
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Quoted from Paula
He showed me some rust on the Side Chassis Rails. He said it will need welding for the next MOT.
Should i buy a couple and take them to him to weld in or let him weld it up with plates instead?


Try and post some pictures of the rust.

Also worth seeing if you have these fitted to the siderails. They are quite often forgotten

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TRIU.....5:g:LNcAAOSw-zxWoMlP


Surrey AO and Triumph Hoover, Location: Guildford - Surrey,
Spitfire 2.5PI - 1967 having surgery, PI Saloon - 1969 RBRR x 3, PI Estate - 1969 (to restore), Stag - 1971 RBRR x 2,
PI Saloon MkII - 1971(stalled project), Sold some cars!  

Daughters own: Herald 1500 1961, Herald 1500 Coupe 1962, Dolomite 1300 1976, Herald 13/60 Estate 1970
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Steve P
January 11, 2017, 8:12am Report to Moderator
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Paula/Kate/Bob,

Didn`t you know about the welding required when you bought it last week?
S


No. of Triumphs owned..2
No. of Triumphs working..2
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Paula
January 11, 2017, 8:30am Report to Moderator

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Paula/Kate/Bob,

Didn`t you know about the welding required when you bought it last week?
S


No. I missed it.


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RobPearce
January 11, 2017, 8:37am Report to Moderator

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I don't wish to disparage your local garage (who may be every bit as excellent as the not-so-local one I use for MOTs) but in my experience it is ALWAYS worth a second (expert) opinion on "rust that will need welding next year" that gets spotted by a garage doing mechanical work on the car.

I hope their diagnosis of the fuel pipe shorting is correct. It takes me back to a non-Triumph I had once... a VW Passat that developed intermittent misfire, which grew into occasional stalling, then leaving me stranded waiting for Green Flag... and cost me hundreds of pounds in garage bills trying to find the faulty ignition component. It turned out, eventually, to be the engine earth strap rubbing through the insulation on the wiring loom. Two inches of insulation tape fixed it completely. Unfortunately for the Passat (but not really for me) I'd already bought its replacement - a two-door Toledo - before discovering that.


Current fleet
1967 Vitesse 2L conv "Tessa"
1970 Spitfire Mk3 (project) "Toby"
1972 GT6 Mk3
Not enough time or space
Recently sold:
1972 2.5 PI estate "Harry" (gone to russell on here)
1973 Toledo 2-door "Spike" (gone to a club official)
Used to have:
1968 Vitesse 2L saloon
1980 Dolomite 1500
1977 Dolomite 1850
1980 Dolomite Sprint
1982 TR7 DHC Sprint
1975 2500S saloon
1971 Herald 13/60 Estate (with 1500 Spit engine)
1975 Stag
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Paula
January 11, 2017, 8:47am Report to Moderator

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Quoted from RobPearce
I don't wish to disparage your local garage (who may be every bit as excellent as the not-so-local one I use for MOTs) but in my experience it is ALWAYS worth a second (expert) opinion on "rust that will need welding next year" that gets spotted by a garage doing mechanical work on the car.

I hope their diagnosis of the fuel pipe shorting is correct. It takes me back to a non-Triumph I had once... a VW Passat that developed intermittent misfire, which grew into occasional stalling, then leaving me stranded waiting for Green Flag... and cost me hundreds of pounds in garage bills trying to find the faulty ignition component. It turned out, eventually, to be the engine earth strap rubbing through the insulation on the wiring loom. Two inches of insulation tape fixed it completely. Unfortunately for the Passat (but not really for me) I'd already bought its replacement - a two-door Toledo - before discovering that.


I'll get photos when i get it back in a day or so.
Feel a bit stupid really as i had all these plans of what i was going to do when i got down to the car, including getting on the floor and checking for rust.
But I got carried away by the new paint job. I thought, if you're going to go to the trouble of respraying you would sort the rust first!
DOH!


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Steve P
January 11, 2017, 11:16am Report to Moderator
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Quoted from Paula


I'll get photos when i get it back in a day or so.
Feel a bit stupid really as i had all these plans of what i was going to do when i got down to the car, including getting on the floor and checking for rust.
But I got carried away by the new paint job. I thought, if you're going to go to the trouble of respraying you would sort the rust first!
DOH!


I really hope the fact it has a new paint job doesn`t mean its hiding other things.Where did you see it advertised?
S


No. of Triumphs owned..2
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Sheepy
January 11, 2017, 11:30am Report to Moderator

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Bob,

does that garage also do MOT's?
it depends how bad the rust is, just surface rust and they are paniking, or is it really flacky (like the one in your picture   )
a good picture will help us ( of the rust!) to advise you


Cheers
Shaun

i'm worried that when I die my wife will sell all my car parts for what I told her they were worth!  

67 MK3 spit
42 Chevy cargo truck
Some bikes (not push bikes)
Land Rover series 3 (doing it up to sell)
Belgium (I'm Binglish)
RBRR 2014 'team broom' in the renown!
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efp
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i'd say that if this garage is telling you that it will need fixing for your 'next' mot, the rot can't be too bad, and they are giving you good professional service in pointing out a potential problem, without trying to panic you out of money now.  A good sign. And means you have plenty of time to get second, or our, opinions before rushing into anything.

Strange that the PO didn't fix/bodge it though, its a easy job compared to many body rot problems.

Look forward to seeing the pics too.  We do love pix here, though I must admit I'm rather remiss in this due to the faff of resizing down each time. Hope this board gets updated one day to a system that can handle images better  

best

Sharon




1967 Spitfire MkII, nearing end of restoration
1965 Land Rover S2A, awaiting MOT
2002 BMW 535i,  daily driver, 114k on the clock
2004 Mercedes CLK 200K, alternate daily driver, 143k on clock
1976 International 464 tractor....
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Bitumen Boy
January 11, 2017, 3:02pm Report to Moderator
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Quoted from Richard B


Try and post some pictures of the rust.

Also worth seeing if you have these fitted to the siderails. They are quite often forgotten

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TRIU.....5:g:LNcAAOSw-zxWoMlP


You learn something new every day, had my Herald over 12 years now and never seen those before, my car certainly doesn't have any. I'm hazarding a guess that fitting them properly is a body-off job, so no point in me worrying about it?
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Dogsbody47uk
January 11, 2017, 7:54pm Report to Moderator
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They usually get left off on a rebuild. I've had them welded on during my Vitesse chassis rebuild.


First Triumph: 200cc Tiger Cub. Followed by in no particular order, 350 and 500 Royal Enfield Bullet, Herald 1200, Herald 13/60, Mini 1275 GT, Vitesse 2L convertible, Audi 80, Audi 80 Sport, Fiat 124 Sport Coupe, Triumph 2000, Mk 2 Estate, Fiat Tipo, Fiat Stilo, Fiat Uno, Peugeuot Turbo Diesel(yuk), Lancia HPE 2000ie (wow! a dream!) So far 3 Heralds and My fourth Vitesse in the garage. I may have forgotten some... It's my age.. Oh , Honda 400 four.. Terrifying! And the 2 Renault 5s. Oh, and the Ford Granada 3 litre estate..I think that's the lot.
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efp
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Random and uninformed thought from someone who has no Vit/Herald experience: could these strengtheners be maybe be bonded on in situ (cleaned up) with an adhesive like TigerSeal, possibly tack welded at the corners, to add strength without adding any further rust traps?

Just a thought

Sharon


1967 Spitfire MkII, nearing end of restoration
1965 Land Rover S2A, awaiting MOT
2002 BMW 535i,  daily driver, 114k on the clock
2004 Mercedes CLK 200K, alternate daily driver, 143k on clock
1976 International 464 tractor....
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daver clasper
January 11, 2017, 9:48pm Report to Moderator
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Quoted from Steve P
Paula/Kate/Bob,

Didn`t you know about the welding required when you bought it last week?
S


Not sure how that is helpful?

Dave

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Richard B
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Cut the top edge off where it overlaps and seam weld the join?  


Surrey AO and Triumph Hoover, Location: Guildford - Surrey,
Spitfire 2.5PI - 1967 having surgery, PI Saloon - 1969 RBRR x 3, PI Estate - 1969 (to restore), Stag - 1971 RBRR x 2,
PI Saloon MkII - 1971(stalled project), Sold some cars!  

Daughters own: Herald 1500 1961, Herald 1500 Coupe 1962, Dolomite 1300 1976, Herald 13/60 Estate 1970
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Jonny-Jimbo
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Quoted from efp
Random and uninformed thought from someone who has no Vit/Herald experience: could these strengtheners be maybe be bonded on in situ (cleaned up) with an adhesive like TigerSeal, possibly tack welded at the corners, to add strength without adding any further rust traps?

Just a thought

Sharon


Some cars do have bonded panels - I understand some VW products do, and Lotus are well known for bonding together, however, I'd suggest that Tiger Seal wouldn't cut it anywhere near, and you may struggle to persuade an MOT inspector that something that's meant to be welded on is okay if it's bonded. No different to sticking a patch on a chassis with gunk.


62 Vitesse 1600 - Slammed & modified
67 2000 - Fitted with 2.5 o/d - 2012 RBRR, 2015 Essex Rally, 2016 HCR, 2016 RBRR
67 2000 Estate - Dormant
70 Herald 13/60 - First car, many bits
77 CZ 125 Sport - 70 miles on the clock
77 Kawasaki KM90 - Shop hack
81 Yamaha DT125 - Many bits
88 Ginetta G4/4 - Dead
88 BMW E30 320i - For Sale
89 Citroen AX GT - Rally car!
90 BMW E30 318iS - Building to FIA spec
90 Mazda Eunos 1.6 - 'Popeye'
93 BMW 530i - Donor
95 BMW E34 540i - 4L V8
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