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dazzer
August 13, 2017, 10:03am Report to Moderator


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Would anyone know if the Canley classic alloy hub will fit the big saloon, albeit with a different PCD and likewise would the bracket meant for the Vitesse/GT6 to get the lightweight caliper to fit also work for the big saloon with the MKII set up currently.

Or has anyone got, or know of a current supply of alloy hubs.

Thank you

Dazzer


1965 2000 MK1 Rally project, HRCR rally championship, Hexham, 12 car night rallies, trials, autotests etc, etc.

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Nick Jones
August 13, 2017, 10:36am Report to Moderator

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I think the bearing set-up is identical (uses same bearings and the same Shacktune spacer tube works).  Saloon has a proper seal at the inner end rather than the felt horror used on the Vitesse.

As far as offsets for wheel faces and disc position...... I have no idea.  What are you hoping to gain?

Nick

PS Merlin MS used to sell them with Ford PCD and undrilled and still do
https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/aluminium-hub-to-suit-triumph-vitesse-size-bearing-ah-vit


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Richard B
August 13, 2017, 10:48am Report to Moderator

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Haveyou tried Monarch? Not cheap though.


http://www.monarch-stags.co.uk/suspension


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dazzer
August 13, 2017, 10:53am Report to Moderator


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Hi Nick
Weight saving is the goal. Ive got the Shackford eibach springs (weight saving 2kg over cw springs) want to now concentrate on the hubs and calipers. Shackford did do a kit but unfortunately NLA so trying to establish options.


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dazzer
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Yes tried Monarch NLA. The search continues. I might have some made at this rate.


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thescrapman
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A big saloon hub is a different shape to a Vitesse one I think.

I would give Dave a ring at CC and have a chat

It is just a CNC machined item after all.


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GT6 M
August 13, 2017, 7:18pm Report to Moderator

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Any ally hubs ive read aboot have always come loose
even some that the ..specialists build up, ev done it,
even though they wer loctited bearings, or shrunk fitted

once the bearing spins, hubs foooked

be wary

M


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dazzer
August 16, 2017, 12:49pm Report to Moderator


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Hi Guys

Thank you for the input and pointers.

Thanks M for the caution on the Alloy hubs as well.

So after speaking to some of the rally escort boys who all run alloy hubs and lightweight calipers. the consensus was you get what you pay for and always use SS bolts. They've been running this setup for a number of years and not had any failures. Although their AP racing calipers are just shy of £600 a side!
These also fit Triumphs as the caliper is a billet undrilled. Part no CP2361 if of interest.

So back to Triumph big saloons.

Alloy hubs available from rimmer brothers with uprated stub axle and larger outer bearing (same as inner) £475 a pair

Calipers  
(choice of three!) The said AP Racing unit, The wilwood kit from CW (14" wheels or above only) and the BCC caliper) price range £160 a caliper to £600 a caliper!)

Total unsprung weight saving (including) Shackfords front springs (approx 11kg)

Not a consideration for normal road use but for competition purposes a good weight saving I would say.

Lots of shiny parts as well!

Cheers

Dazzer


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TRTOM2498
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Not quite Triumph Saloon, but I have a TR6, with alloy hubs with 10mm flanges, and AP Racing 4 pots.

I have had no issues with this set-up in 4 years so far, and at least 35K miles.

There maybe different alloy hubs out in the market place, so guess you have to be careful.


Cheers.
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piman
August 17, 2017, 6:27am Report to Moderator


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Hello Dazzer,

I'm very surprised that they use stainless fasteners (SS being stainless steel?) as they are  generally low tensile? I do take the point about no failures however?

Alec


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dazzer
August 17, 2017, 8:14am Report to Moderator


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Hi Alec

Yes exactly what I thought but it seems they spec a grade on the caliper sites: BCC calipers are fastened together with 10.9 grade high tensile steel bolts or high grade Stainless Steel bolts certified to grade 10.9.

... Whatever that means?

Sounds good anyway.

Cheers

Dazzer


1965 2000 MK1 Rally project, HRCR rally championship, Hexham, 12 car night rallies, trials, autotests etc, etc.

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josh18
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Hey Dazzer, are the stainless bolts to avoid dissimilar metal corrosion? If so we use a paste called Mastinox in the aircraft industry when using dissimilar metals for fastening, which is almost always. It is quite poisonous stuff but it seems to work really well. Maybe you could get a hold of something like that.
How noticeable is that much reduction in unsprung weight just out of curiosity?
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Jonny-Jimbo
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There's some yellow paste used in boats etc too o stop galvanic corrosion - Duralac I think it's called. I have a tin as it's also used on Lotus's.


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josh18
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Hey jonny, It's probably similar stuff, ours is bright almost fluro yellow. They have just phased out the yellow stuff at work though for a white type that is supposed to be less poisonous.
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josh18
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Hey jonny, It's probably similar stuff, ours is bright almost fluro yellow. They have just phased out the yellow stuff at work though for a white type that is supposed to be less poisonous.
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