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December 16, 2017, 2:59pm Report to Moderator

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Good afternoon all.
This is my first post here and I wasn't too sure where to start, so I thought it best to say Hi and ask a question at the same time  

I currently own a mildly tuned Dolomite and quite fancy a Herald for the Mrs.  I've found a saloon 13/60 which has undergone a convertible conversion.  The seller seems a really nice, honest guy but he can't find any paperwork that tells me what has or hasn't been done.  All i know is there are many differing views on the Herald roof removal regarding structural rigidity etc etc, but I have asked about the anti burst locks which the seller told me none have been fitted as the originals have been fitted accurately so there are no door opening issues.
As I said, the seller seems a really genuine guy and I'm not wanting to make him sound a liar in any way.  But as this car would be for my wife (and the kids will obviously be passengers), I need to know the car is safe and structurally sound.
What should I look for in a "conversion"?
Any help would be fantastic.
All the best,
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December 16, 2017, 3:37pm Report to Moderator

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Welcome. From my limited experience I think if bought it may be an idea to fit the anti burst catches. Me thinks it should not be too hard to fit but someone more knowledgeable will be along to advise. I have seen them for sale on flea  bay
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December 16, 2017, 3:40pm Report to Moderator

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Thanks for the welcome / reply.

I would have thought any professional conversion would have the anti burst kit fitted wouldn't it?
Surely safety would be paramount on a conversion?
I have limited knowledge too as you can see  
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December 16, 2017, 6:20pm Report to Moderator

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A convertible NEEDS the anti-burst kit. The saloon roof holds the door apertures vaguely to size in the event of a crunch. The anti-burst kit tries to do the same for a convertible. The Herald door catches are not adequate under anything like modern safety standards anyway, so dropping below the factory spec would be no good.

General rigidity isn't an issue as the chassis is the same between saloon and convertible but the door anti-burst is required.

As to what else to look for - a proper conversion involves the fitment of an entire convertible body tub with all its bits. Not all were done to that standard. The hood should fold fully down behind the rear seat for a flat rear deck - no protruding pram effect.

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1980 Dolomite 1500
1977 Dolomite 1850
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December 16, 2017, 9:48pm Report to Moderator

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Thanks RobPearce.  
The thing with this particular car is that it has no hood.  Just a full tonneau cover and the hard top itself.
I've had a reply from the seller and the "conversion" equates to a set of poppers for the tonneau and a piece of chrome trim to cover the rear bolt holes.
So basically it's as I expected, a Herald with the roof unbolted.  Not a major issue but I want to make sure it's as safe car before letting the wife drive it.
The only issue I actually can see is being caught in a shower when driving with the roof off.   A proper convertible would offer at least a small amount of protection.
I'll have to think about it and see what price will buy it.......
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December 17, 2017, 8:34am Report to Moderator

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Sounds like someone has taken the roof off a saloon.

Does it have a proper hood well for a frame to fold into?

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December 17, 2017, 10:21am Report to Moderator

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Not keen on conversions at all a Convertible Rear Tub is a lot different to a Saloon also the top of the Windscreen Frame is different Rear Seat is not the same either.

So if your wife wants a Convertible get the real thing if she is not bothered then a nice unmolested  Herald Saloon would probably be a better option as it would be more practical.

Good luck.

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December 17, 2017, 12:28pm Report to Moderator

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the same anti burst tongue and staple are also used of TRs available can be costly
the std latch can undo with body flex  and door lift,  you find out on a roundabout
i wouldnt go down the road without them, there are  dimples in the Bpost but dont think getting the location on the door is an easy fix,   not a job for the faint hearted  as a retro fit.

agree an airy  saloon is much happier car than a CV with the hood up

a aftermarket hard top is not the same rigidity as the tin top very carful this could turn into a headache

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now has power steering ,poly bushed and Alfa 156 seats
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December 17, 2017, 4:37pm Report to Moderator

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Thanks for all the help and information guys.  I think I'd rather make him an offer as a nice saloon rather than a cheap convertible and keep the roof on.
The car is ebay item number 253313261312 and I think it's quite a pretty thing.  But I don't think I'd buy it as a convertible.
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December 17, 2017, 4:40pm Report to Moderator
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I think its a bit disingenuous advertising a Herald Saloon with the roof unbolted as a convertible conversion.

I would steer clear unless you want a  saloon,If the wife would like a convertible get a proper one.I have a 13/60 convertible and i love the way it drives.


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Steve P
December 17, 2017, 4:42pm Report to Moderator
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Looks a nice car,i would buy it as a saloon.lovely colour.


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December 17, 2017, 5:14pm Report to Moderator

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Thanks again guys.
Oh, scrapman, it doesn't have a hood well.  It has no hood at all apart from the metal roof and a tonneau cover.   I would make an offer but as Steve said, I would base the offer on it being a saloon.
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December 17, 2017, 6:04pm Report to Moderator

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That IS a Herald saloon.  And it looks like a nice one in the pictures.  It is NOT a convertible and to state that it is is mis-description.  Mind you he also says it's a 13/70 and 1275cc........ (13/60 & 1296 would be correct).

None the worse for being a saloon IMO - nice ones are hard to find these days as everyone seems to want a convertible.  Not sure why - the saloon cabin is a nice place to be and they are more practical.

You can unbolt the roof pretty quickly (takes longer to put it back on properly).  This does make the car floppier than a saloon with the roof on but no worse than a convertible and structurally there are no real differences.  If planning to run without the roof then anti-burst catches are recommended as others have already said.  You might want to look into the insurance aspects as well.  I wouldn't fancy trying to explain that one after a mishap.......


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December 17, 2017, 10:59pm Report to Moderator

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You can't tell its a convertable with the roof on?thats cos it's not lol
That's a first on me.nice one.
Trouble is you CAN tell its a saloon with the roof off!
Looks a nice clean car.tho you gotta ask yourself if his father has a classic car auction business why it's on ebay?
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December 18, 2017, 9:28am Report to Moderator

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Quoted from Steve68
Thanks for all the help and information guys.  I think I'd rather make him an offer as a nice saloon rather than a cheap convertible and keep the roof on.
The car is ebay item number 253313261312 and I think it's quite a pretty thing.  But I don't think I'd buy it as a convertible.

I'm clearly being thick here but I can't find the car you are all talking about, and have obviously found on the bay, any chance someone can post a complete link to it.


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