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"Raider"
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 posted Sun 25th Sep 2011 reply 41 of 73

MikeyB wrote:


Thats's exactly the reason I suggested it  :-)

Shall I start a new thread?  :-)


Why not Mike but it's not easy to get results that are statistically significant :-/

 Martin Randle Pendle and Pennine Area Organiser, CT Northern Representative
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http://raidertr7.blogspot.com
1969 Triumph 2000 Mk2 saloon
1977 Triumph TR7 16V rally car
1982 Triumph TR7 DHC
1987 Rover SD1 3500EFI VDP
1992 Mini Mayfair (Mrs R's)
1992 Rover 214i
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"mikeyb"
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 posted Sun 25th Sep 2011 reply 42 of 73

You may be right, I'm not so thinking about specific model failures rather than common mode failures - ie. alternators, toughened screens, fuel pumps etc.

Maybe it should be limited to failures that would or could have have caused a DNF if they had not been addressed?

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CT Drivers Challenge Champ '08 '09
CT Drivers Champ '12

Serial Triumph Offender, max out at 25 years ago!
Current Triumph count 17 16 15 14 13 14 12 13 12 13 14 15

On the road:
67 Mk3 Spit - been too many places to list!
72 Stag - Nachrict Nov '07 & '09, Mar '10, 10CR '09, 11,��LCC '10
76 Sprint - RBRR 2010 finisher, many Road Rallies, Nachrict Mar '11, HCR'11, Little Devils '11
64 Herald Rally Car - 2 autotest, 8 Rally Sprints, 3 Road Rallies, HCR '09, 4 Autosolo, Cadwell Track Day
67 GT6 Mk1

Broken: 72 Mk2 PI with TR6 engine - Nachrict Feb & Nov '06, Nachrict Feb '07, HCR '08, RBRR '08, LCC '07, '08, '09

NY Res�2013

1) Sell a few��moderns
2) Mend my Triumphs
3) Drive them lots
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"Velocita Rosso"
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joined on Thu 16th Oct 2008
 posted Sun 25th Sep 2011 reply 43 of 73

MikeyB wrote:


Thats's exactly the reason I suggested it  :-)

Shall I start a new thread?  :-)

...like `lost wallets` that prevent fuel purchase ....

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"Raider"
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 posted Sun 25th Sep 2011 reply 44 of 73

OK, after much work here's some more data answering one or two questions posed.

Please note the info is only as good as that provided to me!

2000/2500 starts 46 - DNF 4 = 89% success rate
TR2-6 starts 34 - DNF = 1 = 97% success rate
Herald/Vitesse starts 33 - DNF 3 = 91% success rate
Spitfire 28 starts - DNF 5 = 82% success rate :-/
GT6 20 starts - no DNFs - 100% success rate :)
TR7-TR7V8 16 starts - DNF 2 = 88% success rate
Dolomite/Toledo 13 starts DNF 1 = 92% success rate
Stag 12 starts no DNFs 100% success rate :)
Acclaim 7 starts - no DNFs 100% success rate :)
Vincent Hurricane s starts - no DNFs - 100% success rate :)

 Martin Randle Pendle and Pennine Area Organiser, CT Northern Representative
https://www.facebook.com/TheBorderRaiders/
http://raidertr7.blogspot.com
1969 Triumph 2000 Mk2 saloon
1977 Triumph TR7 16V rally car
1982 Triumph TR7 DHC
1987 Rover SD1 3500EFI VDP
1992 Mini Mayfair (Mrs R's)
1992 Rover 214i
1995 Rover 214 SEi



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"mikeyb"
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 posted Sun 25th Sep 2011 reply 45 of 73

Oops spotted the first error - the hurricane didn't finish, sorry  :-/

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CT Drivers Champ '12

Serial Triumph Offender, max out at 25 years ago!
Current Triumph count 17 16 15 14 13 14 12 13 12 13 14 15

On the road:
67 Mk3 Spit - been too many places to list!
72 Stag - Nachrict Nov '07 & '09, Mar '10, 10CR '09, 11,��LCC '10
76 Sprint - RBRR 2010 finisher, many Road Rallies, Nachrict Mar '11, HCR'11, Little Devils '11
64 Herald Rally Car - 2 autotest, 8 Rally Sprints, 3 Road Rallies, HCR '09, 4 Autosolo, Cadwell Track Day
67 GT6 Mk1

Broken: 72 Mk2 PI with TR6 engine - Nachrict Feb & Nov '06, Nachrict Feb '07, HCR '08, RBRR '08, LCC '07, '08, '09

NY Res�2013

1) Sell a few��moderns
2) Mend my Triumphs
3) Drive them lots
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"Raider"
posts: 8946
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 posted Sun 25th Sep 2011 reply 46 of 73

MikeyB wrote:
Oops spotted the first error - the hurricane didn't finish, sorry  :-/


OK - reason?

 Martin Randle Pendle and Pennine Area Organiser, CT Northern Representative
https://www.facebook.com/TheBorderRaiders/
http://raidertr7.blogspot.com
1969 Triumph 2000 Mk2 saloon
1977 Triumph TR7 16V rally car
1982 Triumph TR7 DHC
1987 Rover SD1 3500EFI VDP
1992 Mini Mayfair (Mrs R's)
1992 Rover 214i
1995 Rover 214 SEi



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"Nick Jones"
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joined on Sat 19th Nov 2005
 posted Sun 25th Sep 2011 reply 47 of 73

Driver error.......  The steering rack died of blunt-trauma - not natural causes! :P

Nick

 Nick Jones
Somerset UK

Vitesse Mk 1.5 Convertible EFI, Survivor of RBRR 2008, HCR & 10CR 2009, HCR 2010, 10CR2011, HCR 2012, 10CR2013, 10CR2015, HCR 2016 & HCR 2017.
GT6 Mk3 Roto - project in progress
Spitfire MKIV son's project now on the road as a daily driver
2.5 PI Saloon now EFI (PIe?), Engine rebuilt and running sweet.  Diff howling...... Survivor of HCR 2013 & 2014 Gone to live in Swansea

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"timraven"
posts: 102
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 posted Sun 25th Sep 2011 reply 48 of 73

MikeyB wrote:
those of you that had trouble getting back home - did you have classic policies with peter james/footman james or the like?


We were covered by Peter James' European breakdown cover, although we thought most of the problems came from the European end of things, although the insurers could have had much better communication to be fair. We broke down at about 1800 on the saturday, got home at 2230 on the monday, driving through the night on sunday.

If I went further inland than Northern France in my Spit I'd seriously consider taking out proper breakdown cover, has anyone had to use that? Just wondering if it's just luck of the draw, saturday night and all that? :/

 Tim Ravenhall        20 years old
Hall Green, Birmingham

Proud owner of a tatty green mk 4 Spitty
And a soon to be gorgeous blue and white 13/60 convertible
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"timraven"
posts: 102
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 posted Sun 25th Sep 2011 reply 49 of 73

Raider wrote:


I only see one Herald estate on the entry list Tim and your name isn't against it.

Some change that didn't make it to the entry list?


I replaced Gavin (I think!) because he couldn't make it ;)

It should have made the entry list though, Malc sent off revised paperwork or something...

Cheers
Tim

 Tim Ravenhall        20 years old
Hall Green, Birmingham

Proud owner of a tatty green mk 4 Spitty
And a soon to be gorgeous blue and white 13/60 convertible
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"Hurricane 1500"
posts: 439
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 posted Sun 25th Sep 2011 reply 50 of 73

Nick_Jones wrote:
Driver error.......  The steering rack died of blunt-trauma - not natural causes! :P

Nick



Too True  :) :) :)

but did make it home mostly thanks to Jean Claude

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"Greeks"
posts: 2851
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 posted Mon 26th Sep 2011 reply 51 of 73

Martin, I think there should be a special category with double penalty points for DNGOOB.


... Did not get out of Britain ;D
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"mikeyb"
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 posted Mon 26th Sep 2011 reply 52 of 73

2133 wrote:


We were covered by Peter James' European breakdown cover,  :/




Ow that used to be pretty good.  Hope you will be advising PJ of the shortcomings so hopefully they will be addressed?

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CT Drivers Challenge Champ '08 '09
CT Drivers Champ '12

Serial Triumph Offender, max out at 25 years ago!
Current Triumph count 17 16 15 14 13 14 12 13 12 13 14 15

On the road:
67 Mk3 Spit - been too many places to list!
72 Stag - Nachrict Nov '07 & '09, Mar '10, 10CR '09, 11,��LCC '10
76 Sprint - RBRR 2010 finisher, many Road Rallies, Nachrict Mar '11, HCR'11, Little Devils '11
64 Herald Rally Car - 2 autotest, 8 Rally Sprints, 3 Road Rallies, HCR '09, 4 Autosolo, Cadwell Track Day
67 GT6 Mk1

Broken: 72 Mk2 PI with TR6 engine - Nachrict Feb & Nov '06, Nachrict Feb '07, HCR '08, RBRR '08, LCC '07, '08, '09

NY Res�2013

1) Sell a few��moderns
2) Mend my Triumphs
3) Drive them lots
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"sparky_spit"
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joined on Sat 9th Dec 2006
 posted Mon 26th Sep 2011 reply 53 of 73

We had Peter James provided brakedown insurance and they were all brilliant. They arranged 3 hire cars, kept us infomed by phone, even worked out which train we needed to catch near Brunig to get to Chur in time to get tothe car hire place before it closed and also asked the garage's apprentice to drive us to the station (like a madman, as we were late....) to get the correct train. The comany who was acting on their behalf was AA ACTA based in Lyon.

They were super efficient (so far), and I'll be telling Peter James that fact, when the car finally arrives here in the UK.

Location - North Essex

1968 MkIII Spitfire - 2009, 2011, 2013, 2015, 2019 10CR.

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"thescrapman"
posts: 9228
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 posted Mon 26th Sep 2011 reply 54 of 73

Raider wrote:


OK - reason?


It still made the ferry after ours, though granted it didn't visit the final control stop.

I count that as a finisher.

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2010, 2011, 2013, 2015, 2016, 2018 and 2018 CT Navigators Championship winner.

10CR 2005, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2013, 2017 - RBRR 1990, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2012, 2014, 2016, 2018 - Nachtrit 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2012 - Chinese rally 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 - HCR 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013 (3rd place), 2014. 2015, 2017

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1968 Spitfire Mk3 : 1973 TR6 : 1968 Mk1 2.5PI : 1970 Mk2 2000 MOD
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"thescrapman"
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 posted Mon 26th Sep 2011 reply 55 of 73

2133 wrote:

If I went further inland than Northern France in my Spit I'd seriously consider taking out proper breakdown cover, has anyone had to use that?


FRom what I understand they tend to use the same company as the free ones that come with the insurance, so the experience may well be similar.

You may find the age of the vehicle precludes you taking it out in the first place, and if you do get cover it can be eye-wateringly expensive.

And if it does break down their cost limits ar elower so you are less likely to see your "£100 old banger" back home again, no agreed values etc etc.....

Cheers

Colin

Schadenfreude expert and collector of assorted rusty Triumphs on the Essex/Suffolk Border.

2010, 2011, 2013, 2015, 2016, 2018 and 2018 CT Navigators Championship winner.

10CR 2005, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2013, 2017 - RBRR 1990, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2012, 2014, 2016, 2018 - Nachtrit 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2012 - Chinese rally 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 - HCR 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013 (3rd place), 2014. 2015, 2017

On the road.
1968 Spitfire Mk3 : 1973 TR6 : 1968 Mk1 2.5PI : 1970 Mk2 2000 MOD
Off the road
1967 Moss Monaco (Mk1 GT6 based) : 1970 Spitfire Mk4 : 1964 Mk1 2000 : 1971 Herald 13/60 Conv : 1967 Herald 13/60 Estate
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"Sienna PI"
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 posted Mon 26th Sep 2011 reply 56 of 73

I'm insured with P James insurance- cannot fault for one minute the premium...
Can't be bothered to go into details about journey home other than they sent us to the wrong airport and missed the flight home from Germany-you can guess the rest and now i'm home i can actually laugh about it!!! ;D
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"SteveJP"
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joined on Wed 26th Apr 2006
 posted Mon 26th Sep 2011 reply 57 of 73

on my previous two attempts at the 10CR, I used the AA European Breakdown service, both times the service was excellent, hire cars were provided, Hotels were provided and the cost was very reasonable for a 1976 Spitfire on both occasions.

This year I elected to rely on my 'free' breakdown cover with Richardson Hoskin Insurance, I can't comment on its effectiveness as I didn't need it :)

Steve
(formerly known as 76Spit)
Location : Garden of England near Maidstone (or the bit the Lorries pass through on their way to rest of the UK!)
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1978 Stag Russet Brown BW65 3.0 V8 - Faversham's built -  CAR 12 2011 10CR FINISHER-2012 & 2014 RBRR FINISHER
2012 Ford SMax 1.6TDCI Zetec
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"don cook1"
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 posted Wed 28th Sep 2011 reply 58 of 73

So...the GT6 is the most successful (by dint of total numbers) Triumph on the 10CR so far??

 Don Cook��
Manningtree, Essex

GT6 Mk3 Signal Red (Tomboy), in the past: Triumphs...Vitesse 1600, Toledo. Tiger Cub, Thunderbird.
Ten Countries Run 2003, 2005, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2015
Several Dutch Rallies.
Some La Carrera Caledonia.

Best trip ever: Ijsselmeer causeway then up through Germany, Denmark...over the two massive bridges of Slorebaeltbroen and Oresund to Ystad in Sweden where we got an overnight ferry to Poland, then on to Berlin etc.
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"rotoflex"
posts: 5120
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 posted Thu 29th Sep 2011 reply 59 of 73

Rather than just assuming the GT6's have some advantage, I would be interested in seeing a plot of DNF's against infrequency of use.

It seems like most of the GT6's on the 10CR's may be nearly daily driver vehicles for their owners.
1972 GT6 Mk3 - KF11404U � � � � Bay Minette, Alabama USA
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"GigGleR"
posts: 244
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 posted Thu 29th Sep 2011 reply 60 of 73

Well, I suspect the reasons that my 2000 estate died were a) overheated fuel pump and b) I think there is a tiny hole in the primary fuel run that expands as the engine gets hot drawing air into the system making the car undriveable. Our recovery cover was provided by the AA. Hires and repatriation used the car should be here by the end of the week fingers crossed   ;D

 Triumph Vitesse Mk2 2ltr Convertible , a TR4 And a mk1 2000 estate as well!!- North Derbyshire

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